Monday, 9 March 2009

YouTube, the UK and the Performing Rights Society for Music

We have invested a lot of time and effort trying to ensure that our community can find and enjoy the music they love, and we have strong partnerships with three of the four largest record labels in the world, as well as many independent labels. But copyrights in music can get pretty complicated. For example, there may be several different copyrights in a single music video, controlled by different organisations with different interests. The visual elements and the sound recording of a music video are typically owned by a record label, while the music and lyrics of the song being performed are owned separately by one or more music publishers. These publishers often designate organisations called collecting societies to issue licences and collect royalties on their behalf. In the UK we've had a licence from the collecting society called PRS for Music to make music videos provided by our record label partners available to our users in the UK.

Our previous licence from PRS for Music has expired, and we've been unable so far to come to an agreement to renew it on terms that are economically sustainable for us. There are two obstacles in these negotiations: prohibitive licensing fees and lack of transparency. We value the creativity of musicians and songwriters and have worked hard with rights-holders to generate significant online revenue for them and to respect copyright. But PRS is now asking us to pay many, many times more for our licence than before. The costs are simply prohibitive for us - under PRS's proposed terms we would lose significant amounts of money with every playback. In addition, PRS is unwilling to tell us what songs are included in the license they can provide so that we can identify those works on YouTube -- that's like asking a consumer to buy an unmarked CD without knowing what musicians are on it.

We're still working with PRS for Music in an effort to reach mutually acceptable terms for a new licence, but until we do so we will be blocking premium music videos in the UK that have been supplied or claimed by record labels. This was a painful decision, and we know the significant disappointment it will cause within the UK. And to be clear, this is not an issue with the record labels, with most of whom we have strong relationships.

While negotiations continue, we'll still be working to create more ways to compensate musicians and other rights-holders on YouTube. In addition to various advertising options, we recently introduced a click-to-buy feature that enables fans to purchase downloads of their favourite songs. We're also proud of our Content ID tools that help rights owners identify their content and even use the power of our community to increase advertising and revenue potential.

We will continue to seek partnerships that benefit our community, music publishers, music labels and, of course, musicians and songwriters, and we will work hard with anybody who shares this commitment. We hope that professional music videos will soon be back on YouTube for our users in the UK to enjoy, and if and when that time comes, you can be sure that you'll be the first to know.

Yours,
Patrick Walker
Director of Video Partnerships, Europe, Middle East and Africa

206 comments:

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danmw92 said...

Well. . . what can i say. . youtube is going to lose a lot of its UK audience unless it pays up. 5.7 billion dollar revenue last quarter. im sure the money grabbing bastards can spare a little bit of that so us loyal UK listeners can continue using youtube and clicking on those adds just so they can watch the fucking videos. R.I.P YouTube because you UK audience had gone (not yet anyway)

supersmithnetwork said...

Still no fucking music videos availble for the UK! What in the fuck does YouTube and Warner Music Group want to do? TAKE AWAY THE FUCKING MUSIC! >:-(

BogBreather said...

I have found You Tube a great vault of music videos and it is a great disappointment that the current situation has stopped myself and others enjoying artists creative efforts.

supersmithnetwork said...

YouTube doesn't even give a crap about us and all they care about are just spending their money on shit updates.

supersmithnetwork said...

2005: Good
2009: WAY BADDD!!!

Way to go YouTube, you could lose lots of UK music fans on YouTube if you don't pay up to the PRS. I mean, it's been over a month now and yet you still waste your money on your fucking shitty updates on YouTube. Banner ad in my homepage? Worst fucking idea I ever seen. All you care about are updates and America. While us in the UK are very fucking poor. YouTube. RENEW YOUR PRS LICENSE OR I WILL HOLD A UK PROTEST AFTER THE EASTER HOLIDAYS!!

gordywilson said...

i wonder how much artists in the united states get from youtube though ? cant find it online ?

Lokster1889 said...

I suspect none of these comments are read by anyone at the 'Don't Do Evil' Google Corp but frankly you're attempt to blame the PRS is as risible as you kow-towing to the Peoples Republic of China. You're a business. You want to make more money. You want people to provide content for as little money as possible. Don't act like you're doing us all a favour here. You're doing yourselves a favour.

RachaelUK said...

I DONT BELIEVE IT!!! This really sucks - and the ones who suffer? the YouTube users, for which the site was created - an international video sharing site... Well I don't envy them having to deal with PRS... they aren't the nicest, least not when they cold-called the place I was working - very, very, very rude - recommend avoiding!! So upset about this - anyone know another site where i can watch music videos in the UK??

eyesonly61 said...

I doubt very much they read these comments because there has not been one single reply to our comments from youtube so basically youtube blog is a total waste of time they put it here so people will think they are being listened to when they arn't shame on you youtube you are just as bad as RIAA its all about money, im really pissed off now !

pinkfrenchie14 said...

in away you could say this is .... absolute BULLSHIT!!!! but it doesn't fit? if u can't pay the licence shouldn't every country not be able to watch music videos.

(btw i bet they don't read these comments)

grahamlong said...

This site is just a total pile of shit!!

Very dissapointing.

apx23 said...

Apparently, YouTube have also started removing music videos from its German site because of a royalty dispute similar to the one with the PRS in the UK

greyfisherman said...

what a load off shit get out off you tube

NFRatties685 said...

Youtube is so annoying now for blocking more music videos and removed music videos from favourites.

xYeow said...

@lukeylad118

Youtube will not be ruined by this. Youtube can survive without the PRS. The opposite is not true however.

azt98 said...

wot a load of old FANNY !

trailersic said...

They're both about as bad as each other but, after hearing about this and reading more about the Performing Right Society elsewhere.

FUCK THE PRS!

tattoochik71 said...

If it's any consolation, and I'm sure it's *not* but figured you should know, the US got screwed too. Now we can't watch anything from your region either. And as a die hard Skins fan, I'm a bit tweaked. Friggin sucks, locking it down on the season finale.

lukeylad118 said...

This is gunna ruin you youtube
IT WILL

lukeylad118 said...

@patrick walker

can you tell us, in detail why you are blocking these videos, if the record labels are ok with you then surely you can direct the funds through the labels instead of the PRS???

leebe73 said...

man this is really damn annoying, everything I want to watch is blocked.

Youtube are being RACIST, the UK are being discriminated against based on our region - bring back the music, nobody gives a damn about the PRS, they are more like the RIAA everyday

PRS said they have not asked you to remove the videos, so put them back?

"Google's mission is to organise the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful."

is that really happening here?

Raheemdaplaya said...

Poor Youtube getting bullied by PRS/PMT! they are crazy asking for that amount of money. I hope you come to a conlusion Youtube! I love Youtube so so so much! But lately with all this copyright rubbish it has been quite annoying using it. Ive lost so many friends on Youtube because their account gets taken down :(

squiggle60 said...

leebee, not sure you will like it but have a waltz written by me. It is PD as far as I am concerned.

http://www.jonbanjo.com/temp/waltz.midi

cashcowrecords said...

@leebe73 - you dont have a clue what youre talking about. Read this: http://www.prsformusic.com/about_us/youtuberoyalties/Pages/default.aspx

Google are money grabbing b*stards and the only reason theyre reacting in this way is to protect their own profit margins and try and bully PRS (who are working on our behalf) into backing down.

Google actually want to pay LESS for their next licence even though Youtube plays are far higher and profits have increased dramatically also.

Basically everyone needs to get their head out of Googles arse. I am a search engine optimiser and spend my day working in the google related industry. They dont care about anyone other than themselves, thats a fact and thats why theyre as big as they are today.

GOOGLE! PAY PRS MORE MONEY! IF ARTISTS STOP GETTING PAID THEY'LL STOP CREATING!

nintendomaster3 said...

This is going to COST artists money, not help artists get money.

This is bad enough at any time, but in the current economic climate, it's just evil.

The PRS are just a bunch of dictators, not a non profit organisation.

Shane on YouTube for doing this.

leebe73 said...

Wanting to watch or listen to the same content as the rest of the world is not being greedy, suppose shops stopped serving you because of your race, would you accept it? -- and just because PRS claim to be 'non profit' it does not stop them paying their staff a quarter of a million - does that sound like 'non profit' to anyone here?

Clbull118 said...

So now I can't watch music videos on the site because I am a UK user? Well thats great news.

Please bring back music videos asap.

supersmithnetwork said...

Fuck 2009!! YouTube in the UK are left with NO MUSIC VIDEOS what so ever while the aremicans and the rest of the world get to enjoy their music videos. So this is really not fucking fair to US!! YouTube. Just pay the damn money to the PRS already rather than splashing cash to your updates. D-:<

albymills said...

years ago, id have to buy a record, either small or large if i wanted the album, then it was cassettes, then id bin them and buy cd's then if i liked them i buy video's then it was dvd's... at concerts, id buy the ticket which at today's prices is sky high, at the concert id buy more like overpriced drinks, food and t'shirts ,posters etc..then either a taxi or train home, depending where the concert is,,,i think artists get paid enough and if it wer'nt for the likes of me and millions of others these artists would'nt be were they are now in there big houses with private jets etc...there was nothing better than going out for a good piss up and coming home drunk and putting on youtube and having your favourite videos to watch, even having a laugh at the old video's to see how bad some of the songs were, it was nice to get something back for free after all the money spent over the years..but thanks to the PRS. whats that stand for (people robbed soft). we cant do this any more. shame on you...but thats this country of ours all over, were everybodies friend, but we always get shit on, from a great hight
i dont blame the artist's or youtube but i always thought everyone was equal,obviously NOT this should go to the court of human rights..lets face it, we are being victimised in the uk...long live st george ( harrison)

DTempi said...

I am finding it laughable all the comments about the unholy corporate greed of the 'bullying' PRS and good ol' Google for fighting 'the thieving(!) PRS' ..hahaha! Get a bleedin GRIP on reality here. Google is a HUGE BILLION dollar corporation invading your lives and privacy and* you* are willing them on!

The PRS is a NON PROFIT MAKING organisation that represents SONGWRITERS - CREATIVE PEOPLE who make your lives a little less shit.
The chief exec IS over paid - but how much is Mr Google paid eh..? A LOT MORE.
Perhaps it is us, the youtube users who are greedy; Feeling we're entitled to have all this entertainment at our fingertips delivered in seconds for FREE.
Stop sticking the boot into the PRS.

squiggle60 said...

leebee, sorry but given your tone I will say it again. The PRS represent the interests of song writers in the UK, not in Africa or USA. I don't see how a racist case can be made.

UncoolEddie said...

I fooking hate the PRS the nosey bastards hounded my boss until he removed our radio at work. Stand firm TY and MAKE THEM PAY YOU for promoting their clients.

pokerjihad said...

Google's size is not the issue. I own a 12 bedroom hotel in the Scottish Highlands and PRS have arbitrarily TRIPLED the cost of my licence for this year. I'm not paying and looking at playing nothing written, composed performed or arranged prior to 1959. Music has a small, incidental value in my establishment, but it's certainly not worth £1000 a year.

leebe73 said...

@cashcowrecords - you obviously work for the PRS - haven't you got old ladies to be robbing? or some carol singers to jail?

leebe73 said...

also squiggle60 - I dont believe the PRS are representing the interests of song writers in the UK - they are purely representing their financial interests - you know one of their directors were paid nearly £500,000 in 2007? and for what? did they create the music? did they do ANYTHING at all to justify that? except extort money from honest people?

squiggle60 said...

opps, http://www.jonbanjo.com/temp/waltz.midi no space.

sunbeam11 said...

Ok you don't want to pay PRS. That's your business decision, but it would be decent of you to remove the blocked ones. I agree that clicking only to get the 'not allowed' is annoying and surely unecessary, unless the intention is to get UK users radicalised and angry at PRS and not you?

leebe73 said...

as you can see below, I never said PRS were racist, they are a lot worse than that, I said Youtube were being racist

"The term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life."

http://www2.ohchr.org/english/law/cerd.htm

leejohnmartin said...

DOWNLOAD THIS WWW.HOTSPOTSHIELD.COM
IT BLOCKS YOUR IP NUMBER
SO IT DOESNT SHOW U R FROM THE UK THEN U CAN WATCH ALL THE VIDEOS

cashcowrecords said...

"unless the intention is to get UK users radicalised and angry at PRS and not you?" ----- from sunbeam11 ---- thats what im thinking?!

ProdioLoLo said...

PRS is to blame. In the end they're probably asking for an inflated license.

CliveChip said...

It's a pity that some of the comments here are so pathetic and childish, because this is a serious issue. If you can't say something sensible, why bother? If you look at Nutnoodle's comment below you will see a clear statement about who is to blame for this - Google, owner of YouTube, an American company trying to make money at the expense of the UK. I'd like to see Google justify how it can expect to make so much money out of the PRS's members, and why it then is equally childish in its response. Why should the users of YouTube be prevented from watching videos - that's what the site is there for! So come on Google, explain yourself or see reason and stop this stupid ban. And failing that, you could always come across to the UK and work alongside some of our trade unions, as your methods seem remarkably similar.

YoungAcroMusic said...

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deanoquinn said...

IT'S PURE FUCKING GREED, AND PRS SHOULD GET FUCKED, SINCE THE SOCIAL WEBSITE IS OURS AND NOT YOURS YOU GREEDY BASTARDS, RETURN FULLY, OR PIRACY WILL PUT YOU FUCKERS IN PLACE. FUCK OF AND DIE YOU THIEVEING CUNTS

OctagonJames said...

Every video I go to I'm getting this really shit 'Not Available in your country' and it's really pissing me off.

illage2 said...

The one thing I don't get though is why it's only the UK that's getting hit with it? I think Youtube hate us here.

illage2 said...

Opps I mad a few spelling mistakes.
When I read the other comments it seems that the idea of "Paying" to use Youtube is floating around, lets just hope it doesn't come to that.

squiggle60 said...

"DO IT TO AMERICA INSTEAD!"

The broken down deal does not involve America. The PRS is UK.

UK31337 said...

This is just dumb. The piracy rate will now go through the roof which will hurt both the musicians themselves as well as legitimate users.

This is ridiculous.

epsilon8entity said...

Well done PRS and Google. Keep up the greed and self interest and make the UK users suffer as a result. UK users take note of how Google treat you and remember... there are other sites legitimately providing music videos. There are also OTHER SEARCH ENGINES, time to hit back people!!

YoungAcroMusic said...

ARE YOU ANGRY?

Join the facebook group

"STOP YOUTUBE BLOCKING ALL MUSIC VIDEOS IN THE UK!!!!! NEED 1,000,000+"

http://www.face book.com/group.php?gid=60347967002

supersmithnetwork said...

This is just so fucking retarded and also not FUCKING fair. The US gets to watch music videos and all of us in the UK can't? This is fucking ridiculous. YouTube is going lose more UK users than ever before if is shit stops now. Google, just pay the fucking bill already so can get the music vids back like Rick Astley's Rick Roll song. Hulu's worse because it's an American only site. Where's our freedom for christ sake!!

squiggle60 said...

"If you look at Nutnoodle's comment below you will see a clear statement about who is to blame for this - Google,"

No I see an opinion I disagree with there. I'm not under the illusion that Google/Youtube are saints but given

a) I am aware of others including small businesses and charities having difficulties with dealing with the PRS.

b) Believe that Google must manage successful negotiation with organisations which represent similar (writers) intrests in other parts of the world.

At a minimum, I'm not going to see the PRS as an innocent party.

NEONholly said...

Well at least have the flipping curtousey to DELETE the videos with copyright claims and DO NOT leave them up for other non-UK based users to take advantage of. Not only have your lost a chunk of UK users to other such video sites. In other words; "We at the PRS don't give a shit about the UK, but don't worry - we'll bend over for everyone else!"

illage2 said...

Oh god ..... please dpn't make us pa to use Youtube since that seems to be the general idea for what's going on here.

wizo2k7 said...

DO IT IN AFRICA OR SOMEWERE WERE YOUTUBE IS NOT THE POPURLAR

cantliff9 said...

I am trying to watch Noisettes videos, but every video except one is block because of the country filter, this is a little ridicoulous, considering the video i want to watch I have viewed many times.

tweetpandora said...

This so so so so dumb. If you're going to remove the videos could you also remove them altogether from showing in searches or at least put something on them to say they aren't available before we click on them, having 100's of videos we can see is getting damned annoying. Looking for somewhere else to llisten/look at video's as I write.

illage2 said...

I don't think this is fair on the users in the UK, and to make it fair you should also shut down the US Music videos. I hope Google pay the bills and we get the music videos back on. But don't threat you can still find music videos posted by normal Youtube users.

wizo2k7 said...

fuckign hurry up anyway people cna use youtube proxys to watch music video but they kinda suck but i wan tmy FUCKING MUSIC VIDEOS BACK SOONNNN

THIS IS AN OFFICAL COMPLAINT

0Genus0 said...

Through all this, I wonder what the actual artists think of the situation? 'Cause I really don't think they give two damns about how much money they're getting out of YouTube, so long as they get some. The PRS just made the same blunder as DRM, and now piracy ratings are going to shoot through the roof. I really don't blame YouTube for this, as I'm sure they tried everything they could. But the PRS just want tons more money, and they're apparently going to get it.

wordupmag123 said...

It's not youtubes fault... the fucking money hungry record industry should stop fucking trying to bleed youtube to death

DualorProductions said...

supersmithnetwork calm down man, im in the same situation.

this is bad and i agree for the musicians aswell, i try out and listen to music on youtube, and then decide if I should by the album or CD, i cant do that now. i dont listen to radio and 4music and TMF are only interested in duffy. i cant listen to songs now :(

whats with the content varying thingy, can we listen to some certain bands or not at all completely?

any body know please PM about that, im confused and the only thin i can get out of this is i cant listen to weird al anymore :(

strongbowblade said...

i doubt anyone at youtube will read this but can you do something about audio swap, ive had audio muted on a vid that really needs a good soundtrack and there r no songs on audio swap that r the same length.can u please change it so that more than 1 song can be added?

tommylux247 said...

(The facebook group i posted already has members on)

LucidSukairain said...

I think this whole situation is incredibly saddening. Once, not too long back, you heard a tune on the radio - be it at home, or in a shop, etc - and you liked it, so you went out and bought it. The same with YouTube. You hear, you like, you buy. What was wrong with that? Personally, I'd like to see all musicians, artists, writers, etc, get paid fairly for their work, and I mean FAIRLY, without any fat-cat interested parties walking off with a disproportionate cut. Maybe that's not possible; and, again, that's saddening if it's so. But what I will say, is that if PRS are now stooping to targeting charities and hospitals, then they're going too far. What'll be next? That people will be spot-fined for simply humming a tune as they walk down the street, or playing music at a kid's birthday party? It's crazy. Double-plus-ungood, in the parlance of Orwell. Thumbs down.

mcblob said...

will be visiting megavideo.com more often then

nutnoodle said...

It turns out if you look at the facts in all of this that the PRS aren't asking for any more (per play of song) at all. PRS has contacted all it's members with the facts on this.

Google wants to pay 50% less per play while usage of music videos has actually risen by 300%! As it is, websites such as this only pay a fraction of a penny per stream to the songwriter/composer. 90% of PRS's members make less than £5000 through royalties.

The license will be more because there are MORE STREAMS. This isn't PRS greed, it's like going into a shop and buying double what you usually would but expecting to be able to pay considerably less because of it. Not exactly rocket science, is it?

pufflehuff82 said...

Simple economics: music is only worth what people are willing to pay for it, and they obviously aren't willing to pay as much as they used to. The rates, though set by copyright tribunal, probably are too high, but I also think that if Google have bought a business model in YouTube that essentially cannot survive unless it operates illegally, then that's their problem. It's like a high st shop moaning that paying for stock will put them out of business. If it's not a financially viable business then so it should fail. No doubt you'll all be able to watch your music videos for free somewhere.

rick2k said...

I guess thats bye to YouTube and hello to illegal downloading again for many UK users.

Its a massive step back to all involved. Well done you stupid people.

woolyback said...

boooo ssssssss!

supersmithnetwork said...

Fuck the PRS!!

maxarion said...

if i can't watch the music videos can they please not appear in my search results, it really annoys me. And can we have a leave feedback button on every youtube page. I don't care if it just forwards my feedback to a dustbin somewhere, at least i'd feel like i was being listened to...

Talyn4444 said...

The last URL a little too long.Try
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=60347967002
to join this group

whojust said...

well it seems like googles saying one thing and prs are saying another i just hope that they get this sorted out soon. Heres the link to the prs website where prs explain their side of the story. http://www.prsformusic.com/about_us/youtuberoyalties/Pages/default.aspx

eyesonly61 said...

Exactly as maxarion said ! if we cannot play a particular video can you please not show it in our searches, what exactly is the point of having those videos there if they wont play ? why dont you just remove all vidoes that require the PRS licence ? am not happy at all !

whojust said...

http://www.prsformusic.com/about_us/youtuberoyalties/Pages/default.aspx

RobinSure said...

If you're going to do this, at least have the good grace to remove videos which we can't see from the results, so I don't click on a dozen links which no longer work. It's beginning to piss me off.

squiggle60 said...

PRS.. Identify which work is covered.

petrolguy8425 said...

Dear You tube Personal

I would like to write to you regarding your Video Categories, You see in the past I have been uploading videos of engines and I have looked at your Categories that you have provided, that exist already and it seems as though The choice of Categories for videos are very limited.

So I have a suggestion, Introducing some new Categories, in addition to the current range of Categories, here are some idea's, see below.

Engines & Motors

Power tools & Equipment

Garden tools & Power Equipment

Also could you change the Category Cars & Vehicles to Automotive instead, That way then it covers a much wider range of Vehicles, From Mopeds to Motorcycles, cars, vans and trucks, it sounds much better that way.

I look forward to your reply. my email address is arbriggs84@yahoo.co.uk

Thank you.

Alan R Briggs

YoungAcroMusic said...

Join the facebook group --- "STOP YOUTUBE BLOCKING ALL MUSIC VIDEOS IN THE UK!!!!! NEED 1,000,000+" --- http://www.facebook.com/edittopic.php?uid=60347967002&action=8#/group.php?gid=60347967002

tommylux247 said...

Try this facebook group:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=57148497893

It634 said...

OH FUCK YOU!
THATS SUCH BULLSHIT!
ITS NOT FUCKIN FAIR,
ARTISTS FROM THE UK, WITH VIDEOS FOR THE UK, CANT SHOW THEIR VIDEOS TO TEH UK!
THE US ARE NO MUCH BETTER!
FUCK YOU WHORES, THATS SO UNFAIR D: D: D:

YoungAcroMusic said...

IF YOUR ANGRY ABOUT THE DECISION JOIN THE FACEBOOK GROUP:

"STOP YOUTUBE BLOCKING ALL MUSIC VIDEOS IN THE UK!!!!! NEED 1,000,000+"

By clicking the following link:

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Let the british public join together

VANESSA979 said...

Everybody blaming Youtube for this situation needs to ask the question why is it only affecting the UK, why isn't this happening in America, Australia or anywhere else in the world? Its PRS that are being greedy, bullying Nazi's. As I have stated previously PRS have been bullying charities, small business & hospitals, asking extortionate amounts of money for licences for the privilege of listening to the radio or a cd. They are just SO greedy. If a song is played on the radio the radio station pays PRS. PRS also now expect every shop, business, charity, pub & hospital to also pay them to listen to the song so in effect they are expecting to be paid thousands & thousands of times for ONE performance of a song. How can that possibly be fair? Its about time the UK government investigates PRS because if this was any other business their behaviour would quite rightly be illegal. Although I'm gutted that I can no longer watch videos on YouTube I'm glad their standing up to PRS because its about time somebody did!

MarcusBritish said...

Stick with the day jobs Google - you program computers, that's all, you type code - but you haven't a clue how to deal with people. Real life people. Real life situations.

WMG/PRS, etc are greedy corporations, yes, but YouTube is just as bad in many ways. Thinks it owns the world when its just a bunch of metal boxes in data centers. Bits are bytes don't breath.

Bad attitude, from a now infamous group. Stand up to PRS then get your own act together!

It634 said...

Everythings jkust fucking up,
Its not the UK's fault!
WHY DO WE HAVE TO BE CUT OUT OF ALL THE FUN!?
DO IT TO AMERICA INSTEAD! SO THOSE BITCHES CAN BE BORED AS HELL!
This sucks cock-ass D:

tommy2hats said...

There's nothing I hate more than having representatives of big companies talk about seeking "partnerships that benefit our community." It's always the same anodyne public relations drivel and the consumer is the one who loses out.

BignoseGlobal said...

Seems that all I wanted to say has been said by the many many others here. Just very disapointed...any ideas where I can post my little freedom of expressions without censorship anyone...

agswookie said...

It's ok, we'll all just use an American proxy... Actually fuck that, I'm going back to downloading from torrents.

MITZILECHAT said...

We need a new slogan..... The PRS is killing music.

BmthBoi08 said...

Fuck sake...

Yay a video site WITHOUT music VIDEOS?

hhmmm... i dont think its youtubes fault, i think its the fucking greedy, money hungry music businesses, fair enough you gotta make money but if you didnt price your content so high...
fuck all of you! most of the songs are edited so much anyway!
oh well... you may stop youtube but you wont stop pirate bay, how you like that?

supersmithnetwork said...

Google. PAY UP the licence and stop spending money on those fucking updates. If these music videos don't return to our country within 2 months. YouTube will lose half of UK users. First you lost some users because of Warner Music Group's shitty harsh copyright because they mute music they own and now this. Iike I said. We're not free, I'm not free and all of us in the UK are not free. It's like Virgin lost all the Sky channels all over again but this time to YouTube!! No music video in the UK = BULLSHIT FUCKING HORSE SHIT!!

GOOGLE/YOUTUBE. PAY UP NOW OR ELSE PEOPLE IN THE UK WHO LOVE MUSIC VIDEOS WILL CLOSE ACCOUNTS AND MOVE OVER TO MYSPACE! MEANING YOU WILL LOSE SOME USERS!

mafustokes said...

In the UK it was on the news this morning that a football club near Manchester (Oldham AFC) - has stopped playing the music at matches. They say the PRS has asked for a 600% increase in the fee. If this is true then they really are after getting their noses in the trough.

ElectronicJamie said...

As a musician, I support YouTube in a phenomenal amount of different ways, categories. YouTube is actually a big part of my musical life, you know. It gets me out of street corners and in to something new, it's really good for me. As a young person, music on YouTube really is a big step for me and for you. Thank you YouTube, thank you so so much!

BmthBoi08 said...

For those that still want to watch videos..
use a USA proxy?

guitarse said...

Removing any music from you tube is an absolute disaster, take it this will affect our fav's list too, you tube has always been the one place for discovering new music, videos, bands and artists. removing any will just make this site a whole lot less useful.

TheEmoKiller3000 said...

This i really fucking great, thanks a lot youtube/PRS

We, the consumers, and the artits are both suffering, the guys wh made you what you are today. Sort it out, put more advertising in, whatever; he fact is people don'tcome on here to listn to music day in and day out, they want to watch a music video and sample the music, see if a band is good and then buy the music.

I, along with the whole countr, don't want to buy music that we haven't heard before. Sort it out. Fucking fast - this is an absolute joke.

By the way, for those wanting to watch videos I'd recommend getting 'UltraSurf', it basically hides your IP adress and other internet details from sites, and you're automatically presumed to be an American user (allowing you to watch music vids on here, and other American only sites)

Letobabe said...

Oh and if you want to know how i know that record companies make 99% of all profits and the poor overworked artists only make 1% it was from a media course i did in college on the section we learnt about the music industry.

spaztard52 said...

this has pissed me off. but thank you youtube for at least trying to rectify the problem.(and i mean that, im not being sarcastic)

NotMadeInChinaBand said...

As a musician I support youtube in their decision. PRS are once more being greedy and punishing both consumers and musicians. I write this as a way of showing my support to youtube and hopfully enlighten those of you who feel the compulsion to write your knee-jerk responses on here...blaming youtube for taking the only action they had available to them. Please dont bother commenting about how much money google has - no one in any sector of industry is going to part with cash unless they have to. Yes there are other sites available to find music but dont desert youtube - think for just a moment before you make a half readable condemnation and join musicians in the fight to get their art and work heard, recognised and appropriatly funded!

supersmithnetwork said...

Google. UK users will be more happier if you pay up now. Otherwise fuck the PRS! And plus, you will lose many UK users too. Please pay up now or you won't lose your UK users that love music.

SlowlyWeRot said...

why the fuck would anyone want to listen to music on this site anyway?! the quality is piss poor. if you want to listen to free music, check out http://www.spotify.com. has just about every band under the sun.

elivil7 said...

I am absolutely outraged by this development. If YouTube and PRS do not sort out this debacle I and countless other UK users will just leave YouTube. I was visiting YouTube mostly for music and if as it seems now there are not any music videos out here, then I don't see any point of keeping my account and coming back in future.

02browns said...

PRS you fail at life. STOP DESTROYING OUR MUSIC!

Letobabe said...

It's about time all the jumped up pen pushing big wigs who know naff all about music ie the big record companies,PRS etc were got rid off for bloody good.They are all greedy money grabbing tyrants at the music artists and publics expense.
All music artists should release and make music for themselves thus doing away with all the greedy record companies.
Maybe we should stop buying music cd's and download them through i tunes etc and all artists use this method we still pay for them and the artists still make some money.
Granted it will not be as much but it does away with need of all the greed of record companies making to much gross profits and the artists signed to them making little or getting no money and the artists and the public being totally ripped off just so these greedy fat cat tyrants can lord it up with with the 99% profit they make from everything they own the rights too.
Sod off record companies and the PRS.

02browns said...

The music industry and copyright is getting out of hand. When will they learn that ALL publicity is good publicity. I've bought entire albums of artists because i heard them on someone's ipod, on the internet, used on youtube.com etc. It's stupid, it really is.

wonebutuoynomi said...

All this debate has forgotten one thing: most modern "new" music is just a remake of older music. Any money made by the "songwriter" should go to the original. Also, as music changes so often, blocking the UK (major consumer market) from watching music vids on Youtube doesn't benefit anyone. Also, "YOUTube" has become "USTube" (not united states, but Google), and will become "NOBODYTube" if this rubbish continues. Why can't the price be the same as it was? Because Google want more. And the PRS thinks that they should pay more AS A RESULT. In a world where money is everything, can't we just keep everything at the same value as it is and SHOULD BE.

xboxcp said...

Youtube Just Calm down dudes Since you had Music Rights and stuff and not allowing music vids In Uk thats just stupid i THOUGHT youtube would live But looks like its dead now

dheela123 said...

UK music is lost the fine tune-so ppls are not intrested to spend mony for rubbish music-

you know wat i mean-
they just need dolors and pounds- hahah

ammakichutt said...

Youtube has lost its meaning now.My 6 year old son asked me my favorite song of all time and i couldnt play billie jean...a 30 year old song.Pathetic.Im going to drop all google related stuff.never gonna use ebay ,gmail or anythin remotely related to google.

fivebymiker said...

Here's thought... It seems the PRS charge companies that have radios which the public 'might' hear. Well get this; never mind the fact that they already charged the broadcaster for the use of the licensed music.... do I detect the possibilty that as well as getting my windscreen washed at the traffic lights, I'm also going to have to fork out to some lurking PRS bod on the grounds that he/she, in their role as 'the public' can hear my car's stereo?
I'm STILL gutted that I can't access premium music content here on youtube, but I'm also STILL glad that youtube is taking a stand against a bunch of suits who clearly have ideas above their station.

samd769 said...

I dont see why its the UK's fault, we did nothing wrong. Im not coming on here anymore.

94boeing said...

Your owned by Google so u must have enough money, i only use YouTube for listening to music, now i will have to go back to iTunes :( and pay! or.... now people will just go back to LimeWire for there music. That would be worse for the artist so PAY THE FUCKING MONEY!

MrMike0113 said...

Herein lies the biggest kick in the balls you've ever imposed, you greedy bastards.

I'm not sure if you realise, but it's people like me, and everyone else on a base user level, that made you popular. Without us you'd have JACK SHIT.

You're fucking over the consumer here, and I wonder how much more bullshit the user community will take...

emulenick said...

there is no point to youtube why don't give youtube back to the makes of youtube because they did F++k up so bad as you lot you can't put a video on youtube you can call youtube now copyrighttube

MigEater22 said...

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matiia said...

true, you are king of all.

KingOfAllIdiots said...

JUST FUCKING PAY, YOUTUBE WILL DIE COMPLETELY IF THIS KEEPS HAPPENING FIRST WARNER AND NOW THIS!!!!!!!!

MigEater22 said...

Sieriously Goutube© just pay the money up, your owned by Google© and easily should be able to pay it up....dont let it be like the Warner© thing all over again

Youtube© is the easiest place for me to get freemusci, and watch videos. now you go and f**k it all up

Like why dont you stop paying for the license in a sh***y country like Somalia and use the money for the UK!!!!!

samd769 said...

And also youtube wouldnt be were it is today if it wasnt for us loyal fans of the site. this is how they repay us isit? well im outraged

shellannwend said...

I'm sick of the music industry complaining about the internet and how its stopping them from making zillions of pounds. I'm glad youtube is standing up to them, but this is really pissing me off!!! i only come on youtube for music videos, so now I have nothing! how can a website that broadcasts videos stop me from watching videos??? In fact, if I like a song I see on youtube I will usually buy the track or even buy the album so the greedy music industry is just trying to make money from us in all ways.

majwinterse said...

I actually use youtube to see whether I like the music I'm buying. If I hear about a band I'll search them on youtube and if I like them, will go out and buy their album or songs on itunes.
If I don't have youtube to check this I'll buy alot less songs.

guyvh said...

Sort it out you sick bastards

41456p said...

I think you have taken the right route. I regulary search the site for music and am happy to purchase songs once I have found the right info, either via itunes or utube. I have no interest inhow much money google/utube/ituens generate, good luck to them all what I want is a good service and the ability to look for what I want, google and the rest keep going guys, a great facility, maybe PRS a just getting a bt greedy

LoriCiani said...

I support YouTube's stand on this. From what I've read in the previous comments about the bullying tactics of the Prats Redundant Society demanding money from charities, hospitals and small busineses to listen to the radio I fully understand the point of view of YouTube. I wont desert this site. For the sake of the artists interests that you claim to support, PRS, get a grip and do some backpeddaling NOW!!!!!!!! Who knows, you may yet save some face.

snyper256 said...

There seems to be an extreme lack of reading comprehension here.

"Prohibitively expensive" means the PRS wants more money than is being generated by the music, and "many times more" than they have asked for in the past. How much money Google/YouTube has is totally irrelevant, because the agreement needs to be *sustainable* for YouTube, which means profit (more money gained than spent).

As a basic, entirely fictional example, it wouldn't make sense for YouTube to pay a license for $5 per view, if that view only brings in $3. That's the gist of it.

Is it hard to understand?

MetallonRichard said...

This is c**p man! my favorit bands have music videos that aren't avaliable on our TV's here in the UK, so I'd watch them here on YT but I guess I can't anymore.
It's off to MySpace for them then.

ryecroft13 said...

So let's get this straight...the music industry spend vast amounts to get airplay for songs in order to sell them - but when someone offers to pay them for the right to do this they jack up the cost till it's prohibitive. Hmmmm are they idiots ?- and like previous users have commented I also generally end up buying both music or videos when I find ones I like. In most cases I would never even have heard of the artist if I hadn't been on you tube. Its time for PRS to wake up and do the math and for the artists they claim to represent to give them a nudge in the right direction.

S2SOTI said...

Stop ruining rick roll. :(

JScourfield said...

this sucks wth hell is the point i always normally listen or watch music on here :(

sexpotuk said...

hotspot shield it works just downloaded it and you tube music vids are back

Squitherwitch said...

In the light of what's happened, i think this place should be given a new name: DowntheTube! Has a nice ring to it, doesn't it? And if we could kick the PRS with it, the UK would be a better place!

CrazyJosh29 said...

Well, congratulations you have just killed everything that youtube is, was and pretty much will ever be. Do you even realise that over half of the top 24 most viewed videos ever are music videos.

What a total fuck up, you are all officially twats, you, the PRS everyone. Sort it out.

TheoHHH said...

This is sick! I'll have to resort to iTunes to listen to music! Most of my time spent surfing on the web is on youtube. It's always the UK that has negative things happen to them >:(

ahmedzythd said...

Why UK! This is disgrace! I will want them back, if not YouTube is rubbish! **** *

Cham3leon said...

i think PRS is being childish over this issue, the artists are losing out on the public that would love to support the artist by viewing their music via their music groups ie Universal music and Warner music groups etc on youtube.. i for one think that Youtube does a great job in looking out for the people

mobrown27 said...

If what you say is true about having "A really good relationship with the record companies" then get them to pay for the license. There is enough of them and if they all club together I'm sure it won't cost them that much each. Considering how much money they make with people buying songs on every format from them. Grow some balls YouTube

wonebutuoynomi said...

As I think everyone who knows anything is trying to say: Banning the whole of the UK from watching videos because youtube/google doesn't want to pay royalties is mad. It reduces the amount that artists and songwriters make because, I'm sure I'm not alone on this one, I would never go and see a band I'd never listened to. Also, if this is to do with youtube advertising on these videos: (itunes? am I right in thinking that?) and youtube is making money from this, then why can't they pay for the license? There's something more going on here, and nobody will ever know... Also, yes, the PRS does take everything too far, but they need to deal with all the chavs going round with their windows on their cars down and the music on full blast. At least then they'd be doing something productive for the UK.

mrky0923 said...

Stick to your guns YouTube. The PRS have done nothing but create _problems_ where ever they go...

This is a bigger problem than most know. For example the song "Happy Birthday" is, from memory, copyrighted so you are _supposed to pay a fee to use it!!

PRS attacking charities.

Join the revolution and change ready for the new world. This is the digital era.

mirceacalarasu said...

This might be off-topic, but I want a blog from Youtube which clearly explains the no more FAKE views. Check this:
http://www.youtubehacks.info
or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFgEJ_LkhyY

Jonno71 said...

And futher more we slip into the nanny state.

BlackholesDragon said...

Screw PRS.

supersmithnetwork said...

No music. NO FREEDOM!! YouTube UK is truely FUCKED up bigtime now!!

GeordieEnigma said...

nutnoodle.
I never said artists should not be paid a fair share of any profits on their work .. but i think youtube made it clear when they said
"PRS is now asking us to pay many, many times more for our licence than before. The costs are simply prohibitive for us - under PRS's proposed terms we would "lose" significant amounts of money with every playback

squiggle60 said...

"Royalties are the MAIN income for the majority of musicians". I find that difficult to believe. For writers, quite possibly but for musicians with pub players, orchestral players, etc. around, I'd be surprised.

btw, does any one know how prs fees not involving prs returns are distributed?

webbdrummer said...

This is what PRS have to say:

PRS for Music is outraged on behalf of consumers and songwriters that Google has chosen to close down access to music videos on YouTube in the UK.

Google has told us they are taking this step because they wish to pay significantly less than at present to the writers of the music on which their service relies, despite the massive increase in YouTube viewing.

This action has been taken without any consultation with PRS for Music and in the middle of negotiations between the two parties. PRS for Music has not requested Google to do this and urges them to reconsider their decision as a matter of urgency.

Steve Porter CEO PRS for Music said "We were shocked and disappointed to receive a call late this afternoon informing us of Google's drastic action which we believe only punishes British consumers and the songwriters whose interests we protect and represent."

Google had revenues of $5.7bn in the last quarter of 2008.

Now that everyone is better informed, you can make a better decision

squiggle60 said...

Tunes that were freely available for the enjoyment of all for centuries apparently can attract PRS fees because of copyrighted arrangements.

AnnieECurtis said...

whats the point in youtube now?

supersmithnetwork said...

No acess to Music Videos = BULLSHIT!!

That mean's us in the UK including me won't get to enjoy YouTube. If YouTube keeps this shit up I'm leaving.

gauravnarula19 said...

The sad part of this 'You Tube' fiasco is it us-the consumers and them-the artists who are suffering the most. Google should have negotiated with PRS before banning the videos in the UK territory. As a consumer and not knowing the inside story on the kind of deals PRS have with Google, we really can't comment. But in context to the You Tube Blog, its agreeable PRS should be more transparent in their dealings with royalties and artists. This only shows the deplorable use of power and monopoly over the consumers.
Google/You Tube should also realise this will encourage traffic to other web tv sites and piracy as the online market at the end is controlled by the consumer not an organization.

actiondan said...

What a bunch of clueless and greedy idiots the PRS are. It's about time they died a death. First they kill off the awesome Pandora here and now this - talk about biting the hand that feeds them. It should now be obvious to all their artists that what they really stand for is Public Relations Suicide.

AthanB123 said...

goodbye music :( hello itunes :(
buy, buy, buy.
thanks alot.
i dont even have 50p to buy off itunes and other crap. thanks for nothing. crap.
uk gets all the bad things, including the worst climate in the world, so we can't go outside to play, everybody in uk goes on PC or TV because its raining 24/7, now wat do i do???? blabla

joey1983 said...

The PRS are an absolute nightmare. I've had many dealings with them and can fully understand the Youtube stance towards them. This is an organisation who will happily charge a small company with a few employees £1000+ to have a simple radio on in the office or a small charitable group to play music in an open environment in case the Public hear it. these are Organisations that struggle to make money and really can't afford the stupid fee's the PRS demand.

They are going to end up harming those they say they are trying to protect in the long run when people can't listen to the songs they want on here. It will drive more people to start using torrent sites or other such platforms. I deal with a number of artists who are very unhappy with PRS and are demanding answers.

webbdrummer said...

Oh and has anyone else notice that its stupidly hard to complain directly to Google or YouTube?!?!

eclecticstars said...

Yes, squiggle60. I can see that now that I have read ALL the comments. They are in a bit of a mess the PRS. I got three different prices from 3 different people when I asked for fees.

eclectica1 said...

Oh please. Spare me the sob story. We in the UK are the ones getting screwed, not you!!!!!!!!!

THANKS A BUNCH!!!!!!!!!

webbdrummer said...

Has everyone gone NUTS! PRS have done nothing wrong the reason that they have increased the amount is because youtube now actively advertise in their videos! YouTube is MAKING money on the videos. If PRS' fees are truly extortionate then why have they kept this out of the courts? The answer is that GOOGLE the owners of YouTube are a multi-million dollar company that don't actually stand to loose that much form this, all they would loose is money that they shouldn't have! the money should be going to the artists not a greedy multi-national company... I personally think that both companies should stop squabbling over what in terms of overall profit is peanuts and just allow artists to share their music with the world!

VANESSA979 said...

U2 stopped using PRS ages ago because they are so useless.

PRS have made a rod for their own back, there might be a bit more sympathy for them if they didn't blatantly BULLY charities, hospitals & members of the public that play music with the window open!!!!!!!!!!!

burnaston said...

Two words. Hotspot Shield. Install this, hide your I.P., go back to watching Leona Lewis videos all day! Works on Hulu and MTV Multiplayer too. Take back the power, UK!

eclecticstars said...

Excuse me squiggle60.
I have no great love for Google or YouTube. When I said that PRS have been heavily targeting charity's I was merely stating a fact. If you key in "PRS" and "charity" you can take your pick of news reports about it. It has even been discussed in Parliament about PRS heavy handedness. I am talking from first hand personal experience. I am not saying songwriters and composers should not have someone collecting money, just that PRS are going way over the top. I have been reading up on PRS for months now and as I said already it is quite right that royalties are payed. its a question of how much and from who that is up for debate

RadioactiveGazz said...

i cant be doing with people that are just plain greedy. i will look for another site to use... and not use you again...

RadioactiveGazz said...

well - you are toast... i wont be using you again... even when you get your licence... greed WILL not be rewarded...

pressureuk said...

Well done Google. About time someone stood up to them.

Talyn4444 said...

Hope all you guys are also visiting prsformusic.com to leave your comments for the PRS.Hit 'Contact Us' & there is an online form.
Personally think BOTH of these orgs are @ fault,both think that they have carte blanche to treat us as barganing chips..disgraceful tactics from both..

squiggle60 said...

No the PRS isn't vgdcx. The PRS is a UK organisation. I would imagine YouTube negotiates with other organisations in different countries. A quick at Wikipedia suggests there may 3 "similar" ones in the US - ASCAP, BMI and SESAC

mashup30 said...

Alot of my friends got closed down lately on here over the moving shadow label,thats not made anything for years.Makes me sick cant even do a mix now without some git crying about it.There was a good community of people on here just for the music who are all going elsewhere i suspect.I think the problem started when people began ripping the audio & making audio cd's with it.Personally i started up using this site to find rare tunes i had not heard for years to buy on vinyl,now it seems they will all be forgotten because of the greed of a load of suits.

squiggle60 said...

eclecticstars, I meant the PRS has been getting a bad name without YouTube

squiggle60 said...

"By doing this, YouTube, to me you are trying to make PRS look like the villian" You mean for example someone reporting their charity is charged to play music is the work of Youtube?

Squitherwitch said...

To Mashup: But the greed will be the end of them- whoever the fault lies with. Under these circumstances, youtube UK won't make any revenue without music videos and their international branches might be affected too as people boycott them in sympathy for their British friends and family. And the UK music industry will suffer because musicians will have lost a major means of advertising their new music and if people who object to their greed effectively destroying this site and start to download music in retaliation, they will lose royalties too. And maybe that's what they deserve if their governing body chooses to hold the country to ransom like this.

vgdcx said...

Has this anything to with the UK at all? :S
I don't understand.
Isn't the PRS for all around the world?

vgdcx said...

I'm appalled at this. I don't even know what to say. :/
I can't watch some of my favourite music vids by my favourite artists. It's not fair. Why should only the UK get affected? Seriously, yeah I know I can watch the certain video somewhere else on youtube, but I prefer to get the ratings up for my favourite band on their own profile. This is ridiculous.

youtubpls123 said...

All you morons saying Google make millions and millions of dollars, that may be so, but YouTube is NOT a profitable business at present and is struggling to make money. It is all very well having your parent company bailing you out, but if you don't make money, you can't last long.

Liamjackson333 said...

absolute disgrace, the quality of youtube has really dropped ever since google took over

dr1141tube said...

Some interesting stories:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-517539/Petty-officials-ban-shopkeeper-singing-customers--unless-buys-performance-licence.html

nutnoodle said...

squiggle60, I won't lie that I do raise my eyebrows at things like that and there was a time when I was saying "F*** the RiAA, etc" with the best of them but we're not talking about that here... we're talking about this specific case - YouTube making profits from the plays of music streaming from the site. For the songwriters not to at least get a percentage, it totally alienates them from the process and frankly it disrespects them. Like YouTube deserves the money for the play for having stored it on the server, but the musician who actually CREATED the song doesn't?

squiggle60 said...

Squgglewitch. I don't think they have more rights than the rest of the population, ie. I beileve you could write your own song and tune, copyright it, etc. without being a PRS member. They just happen to represent a substantial number of writers (which, yes, does give more clout than you would have alone).

GeordieEnigma said...

The problem stems from the fact that not enough people are supporting youtube for what they do.. Fair enough that PRS should work on behalf of their artists who need to be rewarded for what they do, however these artists should also understand that youtube is advertising their product to a huge audience for free. (how much is that worth?) If it was making enough money from doing so then I am sure they would not be taking such drastic action.

gud6y said...

I'm disgusted by this... I have gone out and bought more cd's off the back of videos on YouTube than ever before. Through catching up with old musical interests and through other 'youtubers' asking what music is in clips and then searching for them, I have bought cd's that I never would have bought otherwise! Sometimes you have to speculate to accumulate... surely having old videos on here can benefit artists in a way by encouragin people like me to take an interest in music and artists they may have never looked at!

eclecticstars said...

Their is nothing Wrong with PRS collecting money for the writers of songs when it is done fairly. How ever this has not been the case for some time. Over the next few months people in the UK will start to notice that more and more small business's and shops will stop playing music because they can not afford what the PRS is asking for. I work in a charity shop and not only can we now not play any music in the shop but volunteers can not even listen to a radio in the sorting room in case a member of the public accidentally hears it. The PRS are out of control and their actions can only be damaging to artists. If we don't hear it in the first place how can we ever go out and buy it. Inform yourself's of their action on small shops, charitys, and of course YouTube and email them.
Contact your MPs. Get these insane bastards sorted out.

PS
They even take over £500 a year from volunteer run hospital radio stations

nutnoodle said...

PRS powerful? You don't understand.

The PRS's power is restricted to the copyrights of the music owned by the artists who are members... it's THEM they're representing, and if YouTube are making ANY money from having ads on the same page as a music video then the writer of the music in the video surely deserves a percentage.

That's all the PRS do... make sure the artist is treated fairly and not alienated. By doing this, YouTube, to me you are trying to make PRS look like the villian... pity too many gullible people won't do enough research to decide for themselves.

mafustokes said...

VANESSA979 - I know they're not doing anything wrong, but in your situaton - unbelievable. Only in the UK.

andyc95 said...

This is a sad day :( my friend wasn't even allowed to upload his homevideo that had a sound track.

Good luck Google and Youtube! I really hope your successful, I'll miss it if PRS dont get their acts together!!

nutnoodle said...

"youtube is advertising their product to a huge audience for free. (how much is that worth?)"

Most bands lose money going on tours. Royalties are the MAIN income for the majority of musicians and like they reported on the BBC, most earn on average about £10,000 a year. Not exactly the greed you guys are talking about.

simon14771482 said...

I agree there. Surly the song writers should get sufficient payment from the artists in the first place. There's no reason that they can't just charge more. In my mind once a songwriter has sold the lyrics that should be it. What's next, charging the artists each time they sing?

matiia said...

However, i have to note that last night, BBC news stated that some of the artists were receiving as little as £10,000 a year 'bread and butter money' which is quite low, but i dont know how this can be overcome?
Make better music that gets more views? or will it just have to be that the copyright and fees are so much greater?

squiggle60 said...

"What's next, charging the artists each time they sing?"

That happens now although the venue probably pays. As far as I understand it in some cases a sort of blanket fee is agreed and in others PRS returns detailing what have been performed are completed.

Squitherwitch said...

What I really don't understand is how the PRS has suddenly become so powerful? It's not an elected body, isn't accountable to the British people, was only something I had a vague awareness of yet now it is saying what I can, and in this case, can't watch... How did this happen? I feel like I'm living in a dictatorship that I didn't know existed until today.

wonebutuoynomi said...

In response to all the previous comments, especially the pro-youtube ones: Youtube removed the music because YOUTUBE had a minor disagreement, i.e. the same as with WMG, because it is "being asked to pay too much". Sure, the songwriters and artists aren't getting the full amount, but that's due to the RECORD LABELS. The PRS may be helping artists, but they didn't remove the videos. Yes, the PRS has become more aggressive, but youtube's thrown a hissy fit, a la WMG situation... I vote for a third party mediator, to allow the TRUTH to come out about any further situations... this would remove the problems with multiple stories...

IanLevine said...

I am a legitimate record company owner and I have 460 videos on YouTube, all of which I legally own.

Where does this leave me ?? I write most of my own material, but am also a member of PRS, but I will fight tooth and nail for the right to be able to put my own videos up on YouTube. I have had nearly five million hits. If I don't get to put up my new material on YouTube, how else will I get it heard by people who want to buy my CDs.

I will fight tooth and claw with anyone who tries to stop me putting up MY property, and MY compositions on YouTube.

I am very friendly with Ellis Rich, the chairman of PRS, who I have known for thirty four years now. believe me, I shall be making my anger felt most vehemently, especially in anyone else tries to interfere with my videos that I own.

simon14771482 said...

Very much so, if it's deemed that it's "not fair" for people to watch music on the internet which very often results in people buying it then why is it only the UK that gets affected?

kevthedrummer said...

This is absolutely disgusting.

misstmcl4jd said...

Guys, the main reason I use YouTube is to watch music video. I'm gutted that just because I live in Ireland I can't do so. Get it sorted!

carlanoexit said...

Thank God for Youtube eh, who even knew they were endlessly endeavouring to find the next Arctic Monkeys, working tirelessly to uncover the next best thing?! A modern day internet Samaritan if you will, nothing in it for themselves. Come on guys n gals! Youtube is a global corporate enterprise, just like the media ironically, promoting NOTHING but it's own greed with advertising revenue. Why should they have to pay to exploit music that's directly lining it's own pockets? Beats me. If they are hosting more music being viewed by more people than last year then they should pay more ROYALTIES (1 + 1 = 2) so it gets back to the publishers/composers. Finally, all you mis-informed dissenters clearly have no clue what you are getting so vexed about, so why not save up some of that energy for getting up and scratching your asses after giving your QWERTY keyboards a good old thumping. Viva la capitolism et les douchebags. Cry me a river Youtube, oh no ya can't cause you can't afford a licence. *yawn*

supaacure said...

I'm backing YouTube on this 100%.
Down with excessive earnings of music companies!

simon14771482 said...

What does this mean for bands/solo artists that write and compose their own music, these people want their songs to be seen on youtube. It's a huge promotion for their work and shouldn't the PRS be working for them too? Also are songs that aren't connected to the PRS getting blocked too?

matiia said...

Ahh i see, i was just reading over the comments below, where brummie is constantly reminding everyone that the organisation is "entirely non-profit" seems a bit window dressed. a few profits on the side... backhand payment

YouTube crush them!

Or takeover - vertical integation and all of that shizzle :)

pufflehuff82 said...

What it really comes down to is whether you believe that composers should be paid royalties if their stuff gets played on youtube. There is of course an argument that youtube is promotional, but you musn't forget that Youtube do make money from the advertising they place around videos, so if I'm Paul McCartney and youtube make £1m from advertising around my videos, I reckon I'd be annoyed if I got no share in it.

My friend who works at PRS also told me that you need something like 8million hits to even generate £500 in royalties. I don't understand how that makes the cost prohibitive for Youtube; as I understand it, royalties are based on a percentage of revenue for that video, according to a copyright tribunal decision.

I hope they come to an agreement soon so we can all get back to watching music on Youtube!

mafustokes said...

careterproductions - couldn't agree more. Well said indeed.

NintendoSword said...

Havn't you guys learnt anything from last time with WMG? You're making a big mistake Youtube. >.<

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